Recently I caught up with musician, therapist. and poet Melissa Nilles. Her latest project is the Ruby Grove Band. Like many artists in our community she juggles a lot of things to make the daily nut--but her music is her passion, and she makes sure it stays a big part of her life.
Doug Holder: First
off—How has it been for you as an artist to live in Somerville?
Melissa Nilles: I’m
generally grateful to call Somerville home. It’s the right fit for
me and my (fellow artist) partner to live here as we feel generally
supported by the city and its increased focus on creativity,
well-being, social justice, and sustainability. With defining events
like Porchfest and other local festivals like Somerstreets that we’ve
been grateful to be selected to play at by the Somerville Arts
Council, I appreciate the music and arts opportunities and culture
that exists here, and the ability to be seen and heard as a growing
indie musician. As a bisexual woman I also love the distinctive
queerness of the city and the relative perceived safety and security
of living openly here as opposed to less supportive areas of the
world. My only real gripes are wishing for increased affordable
housing, a city-funded monthly music rehearsal space, and the
improved condition of Highland Ave. I’m also worried my partner and
I will have to leave Somerville in the next few years due to rising
housing costs (we found a rare deal from an elderly private landlord
that many people don’t have in the area, and when we want to expand
our space to have children, we’ll likely have to leave).
DH: You wear many hats. You are a therapist, poet, and a musician. Is
there a cross current with all these disciplines? As a therapist, do
you employ music as a therapeutic tool?
MN: Definitely. Everything
informs everything else. All three disciplines require curiosity,
artistic expression, and a willingness to dive deep into the core
workings and insights of life. I first hatched these tendencies as a
writer, poet, and pianist in middle school (and I guess I’ve been
singing since I was very, very little). I’ve always been an
introspective and sensitive person which naturally led me to writing,
getting really, really into playing piano (especially dramatic minor
classical pieces as an angsty teen), and deeply reflecting on my own
life and intensely supporting friends and others I care about (an
experience that I find most therapists have). This year I’ve done
some deep reflection on my motivations to continue with music full
steam ahead. During these moments, which included driving into the
Joshua Tree desert expanse for several days to walk alone and listen
to the sound of nothing and scribble in my journal, I’ve realized
that even as a musician I’m a writer at my core. I most deeply
value writing lyrics and poems alone- that initial process of
developing a seed for a song. The luxury of taking a deep dive when
I’m in an introspective place into a little solo writing hole while
I’m traveling is my gold. At the minimum I get really focused at
local cafes after work or on the weekends or over workweek morning
breakfasts. It’s like a little journey into my mind, my view of the
current, past and future worlds, where I think I am, where I’m
headed, who’s around me, what I dream about, what might inspire me
or move me forward in that moment in time. Then I re-emerge into the
world and share my little jewels with the band and see if they work
and vibe with everyone else. This balance works great for me. It’s
always a little vulnerable but very fun developing the songs with a
band, and that is my strong preference as opposed to solo musician
work after working with bands for many years. As I got older, I also
became a lot more social and extroverted, and I see the music world
as more social, more fun, and more energetically uplifting, so it’s
where I like to live. I really get a lot out of performing and
sharing my energy with a crowd, and I also like being known in the
scene and going to shows. I don’t think I’d get quite as much
fulfillment out of just being a writer, as it has a reputation for
being more of a solitary career, and I guess I need/want both aspects
of energy (I am a true ambivert I guess). Though someday I do hope to
publish at least a book of poetry, if not more.
As for music and therapy- I think traditional therapy and music
are just two different types of healing. I’m an expressive arts
therapist and mental health counselor, which means I have special
training in traditional talk therapies and in utilizing music,
poetry, art, dance, and drama in my therapeutic work. I regularly see
how the arts can allow clients to express their emotions or release
and contain overwhelming griefs or trauma, sometimes better than
traditional talk therapy (and a little less energetically draining
for the therapist). My experience as a therapist also informs the
music I do which is about healing myself, and helping others find
uplifting melodies and their own personal growth journeys mirrored in
my words. I do love this job sometimes but I think the expectation
for how many people I should be seeing per week at mental health
agencies is beyond my capacity as a highly sensitive person and am
working on building a small therapy private practice that is focused
exclusively on the types of therapy work I like to do with people
with ADHD, anxiety, trauma, mood disorders, or with LGBTQ+ identified
clients. I am cutting back slowly on my caseload for more balance
while I ramp up other avenues of my creative careers (sometimes paid
original music, paid music gigs, and paid film/tv/video game music
work).
DH: Tell us about your indie bands– Miele and Ruby Grove. What is
unique about your sound?
MN: You first mentioned Miele I’m sure because
it’s the one with more longevity and material out there- it was an
indie alternative and art rock project in the Somerville and
Cambridge area (2014-2020) that I was proud to make music with for
six years with some very talented local musicians. Some of our best
moments included playing to great crowds at venues like the Middle
East, Great Scott, and Atwood’s Tavern, releasing our full-length
album Transience (check it out on Spotify), and bonding with other
local musicians to try and save the EMF music rehearsal studio in
Cambridge (we failed but made friends along the way). But otherwise,
for the record, Ruby Grove is my newest, current, active indie
trip-hop meets indie rock/pop project, and all of my eggs lie in that
basket now as the lead singer, keyboardist, band leader, social media
updater, booker, de-facto indie band manager, etc. We’ve been
growing recently and we’re now a 5-piece band with keys/vocals,
backup vocals/bass, lead guitar, rhythm guitar/saxophone, and drums.
Since 2022, we have been inspired to write uplifting music that aims
to help people cope with their deepest fears, explore their
potential, and engage more fully with the world. Miele’s bass
player, Cedric Lamour, and I co-founded Ruby Grove knowing we also
wanted to dive into exploring intersections between genres (something
we also loved doing with Miele, though Ruby Grove’s exploration is
more well-blended). Ruby Grove traverses the sonic landscape between
jazz fusion, lofi hip-hop, trip-hop, soul, electro, indie rock, art
rock, psych, and indie pop and hopefully lands the listener in a
slightly dazed, euphoric, and inspired place. I aim to keep creating
and releasing our material in Somerville for the foreseeable future.
We’re currently in the process of recording our first EP at a
Somerville-based recording studio we love called New Alliance Audio.
We already have some singles online since it’s that kind of time
for musicians (now the joke is that a single is like an EP, and an EP
is like an album, due to decreased attention spans and the
expectation to be releasing less material more often). Anyone who
wants a good starting point can check out our latest single “Maybe
It’s Time” on Spotify or any of the other big music platforms or
check out rubygrovemusic.com. And if you’re curious to come see us,
our next gigs are on 1/14 at the Square Root in Roslindale, as part
of a musical event honoring MLK and his legacy, or 2/23 at The Jungle
in Somerville with Battlemode and New Jersey phenoms The Foes of
Fern.
DH: What drew you to be a keyboardist, instead of the flashier guitar,
etc.
MN: I’ve been a keyboardist since the third grade so it was hard
to imagine playing any other instrument for accompaniment with voice.
I considered learning guitar to a more proficient level, but the
reality is that I don’t feel as fluid or expressive on other
instruments (besides voice). I also started my first project in
Boston playing with a guitarist (and then later two guitarists) so I
was always able to find guitarists to work with I guess, and
definitely more guitars were not needed! I’m also happy I stuck
with keyboards because synthesizer, organ, and piano sounds are a
must for the jazz fusion, lofi hip-hop, electronic, soul, and
trip-hop styles we’re exploring. I’m currently knee deep in
learning more about my synthesizer for these genres and I’m finally
graduating from just using patches on the Nord to fall down the
rabbit hole of custom synth programming and some wacky, weird sonic
places. Maybe I’ll be able to get closer to what FKJ does this
year. I’m also excited to do some flashier stuff in 2024 on keytar
as a frontwoman kind of like Lucius (keytars are back, it’s
officially the second coming of the 70s).
DH: I noticed on a Google search that you contribute to the Facebook
page, "Musicians are people too.". It concerns the
hard-knock life of many musicians. Do you ever question yourself
about the time you spend with music, as opposed to doing something
more lucrative?
MN: Absolutely. Being a musician in 2024 can seem like a very
financially strange decision for anyone, unless you’re Billie
Eilish. We love to joke and meme about it to decrease the tension.
And yet I can’t imagine myself doing anything else. It’s what I’m
meant to do, and what I’m supposed to do. Even if I take breaks,
like I had to during one of the pandemic years, I know this impulse
is just laying dormant waiting to re-emerge. If I didn’t listen to
that urge or engage at all with creativity it would eventually come
out in destructive ways, I’m sure. I know many people feel the same
way and probably get taken advantage of for just wanting to follow
their dreams. I’m sure I’ve lost out on a fair amount of income
just by not following a more traditional route working full-time as a
therapist (I’ve often opted for more flexible therapy work so I can
do the original music work I want to do too). I’ve also certainly
done plenty of time playing low-paying gigs, doing
less-than-fulfilling cover gigs, or doing things for exposure (common
jokes/memes on the “Musicians are People Too” FB page). If you
get too jaded about it, it can start to feel like a lose-lose
situation for many people and I’m sure that’s why people think of
achieving success as a musician as such as a black and white
situation (either a rock star, or dead, broke, or homeless). But it’s
not all like this, and I’ve also had wonderful, beautiful
experiences- going on a proper tour for the first time this last year
with Ruby Grove, getting nominated for Rising Star of Massachusetts
by the New England Music Awards, releasing an epic, dark album I was
really proud of with Miele, making proper money gigging at local
festivals with Ruby Grove or as a pianist at weddings, having people
send me screenshots of how Ruby Grove’s latest single “Maybe It’s
Time” was their top listened Spotify track of 2023, drawing bigger
and better crowds at our shows in Boston, experiencing the sublime
quality of remaking myself through the work, etc. I’m trying to
open myself up through the internet as well as through people in my
own life to examples of people who have made a moderate amount of
livable income through music because that feels like the actual real
next step for me. I love listening to thepodcast “Creative Pep Talk” for this reason because it has so
many great examples of regular people just doing the work and finding
ways to balance and sustain their creative careers. At this moment,
I’m trying to take as many steps as possible to get out of my own
way and also get out of the way of capitalism safely so I can
survive, thrive, and also do what I’m supposed to do without as
much interference as can happen. Being a therapist is disgracefully
underpaid as well ($45k average for people with MA degrees) and I’ve
made much less than that as well at the earlier stages of my career.
Hopping into an even more notoriously unstable career after years of
already low income is a hard move. But it’s the only choice for me
in my opinion as I’ve done deep work on my path over the last year.
Fear is a strong motivator to maintain the status quo but I am trying
to let my fear inform me rather than guide my choices. Starting my
private practice helps me get some solid income in the door at a
higher base rate and opens up time for me to shift my focus on what I
really want to focus on, which is music and writing. I have so many
pathways and doors to explore in this area that I have been longing
for so long and I am excited to move onto this next chapter of my
life, even if I fail, or even if hilariously worse, my engineer dad
judges me for being a broke but happy and fulfilled musician.